Legislature(2009 - 2010)BARNES 124

02/12/2009 10:00 AM House FISHERIES


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10:04:08 AM Start
10:04:56 AM Overview(s): Department of Fish and Game
10:38:02 AM Commercial Fisheries Division
11:31:26 AM Adjourn
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Denby Lloyd
Commercial Fisheries - Commercial
Fisheries Division Dir. John Hilsinger
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                       February 12, 2009                                                                                        
                           10:04 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz                                                                                             
Representative Robert L. "Bob" Buch                                                                                             
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW(S):  ALASKA DEPARTMENT OF FISH & GAME; COMMERCIAL                                                                      
FISHERIES DIVISION                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DENBY LLOYD, Commissioner                                                                                                       
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an overview of ADF&G.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOHN HILSINGER, Director                                                                                                        
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an overview of the Division of                                                                  
Commercial Fisheries.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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10:04:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BRYCE  EDGMON  called  the   House  Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries  meeting  to  order  at  10:04  a.m.    Representatives                                                               
Edgmon, Munoz,  Keller, Buch,  and Kawasaki  were present  at the                                                               
call to  order.   Representatives Millet  and Johnson  arrived as                                                               
the meeting was in progress.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):  DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:04:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EDGMON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
an overview of  the Alaska Department of Fish &  Game (ADF&G) and                                                               
a specific overview of the Commercial Fisheries Division.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:07:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DENBY  LLOYD,  Commissioner, Alaska  Department  of  Fish &  Game                                                               
(ADF&G),  directed  attention to  the  committee  packet and  the                                                               
handout entitled "Overview  of the Alaska Department  of Fish and                                                               
Game, February 12, 2009."  He  then noted that the members should                                                               
also have  a statewide facilities  map for the  department, which                                                               
provides a  good geographic description  of the location  of area                                                               
offices  and fishery  management  programs.   Commissioner  Lloyd                                                               
then began  his overview.   He highlighted that the  Alaska State                                                             
Constitution  is  unique  in  that  it  expressly  describes  the                                                             
state's ability  to manage its  natural resources on  a sustained                                                               
yield basis.   In fact,  Article VIII  of the constitution  has a                                                               
number of key phrases, including the following:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  legislature  shall  provide for  the  utilization,                                                                    
     development, and conservation  of all natural resources                                                                    
     belonging to the State, including  land and waters, for                                                                    
     the maximum benefit of its people.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Fish,  forests,  wildlife,  grasslands, and  all  other                                                                    
     replenishable  resources belonging  to the  State shall                                                                    
     be   utilized,  developed,   and   maintained  on   the                                                                    
     sustained  yield  principle,   subject  to  preferences                                                                    
     among beneficial uses.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD explained  that the  aforementioned has  been                                                               
translated  into various  statutory  and  regulatory mandates  as                                                               
well as the mission of the  department.  The mission of ADF&G is:                                                               
"To protect,  maintain, and improve  the fish, game,  and aquatic                                                               
plant  resources  of   the  state,  and  manage   their  use  and                                                               
development in  the best  interest of the  economy and  the well-                                                               
being of the  people of the state, consistent  with the sustained                                                               
yield principle."   He  highlighted that  it refers  to sustained                                                               
yield  not   maximum  sustained   yield.     Therefore,  constant                                                               
attention must  be given  to a base  abundance while  striving to                                                               
achieve  ongoing yields.   Commissioner  Lloyd then  reviewed the                                                               
goals of ADF&G, which include the following:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
       Optimize economic benefits from fish and wildlife                                                                        
     resources;                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
       Optimize public participation in fish and wildlife                                                                       
     pursuits;                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
       Increase public knowledge and confidence that wild                                                                       
        populations of fish and wildlife are responsibly                                                                        
     managed                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD explained  that the  goals of  the department                                                               
were used to  structure the department around  core services that                                                               
are   common   to  all   the   operating   divisions  of   ADF&G.                                                               
Fundamentally, ADF&G needs to be  able to manage whatever harvest                                                               
in order  to ensure  that the biomass  base isn't  being accessed                                                               
and thus unduly  impacting productivity.  The  department is also                                                               
responsible for assessing  the stocks that are  utilized.  Again,                                                               
the   department   has   a  good   understanding   of   potential                                                               
productivity, which is particularly  important in situations when                                                               
ADF&G attempts to achieve a small degree of harvest.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:11:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD  pointed out  that  another  core service  of                                                               
ADF&G is  customer service, through  which wildlife users  or any                                                               
interested  party is  provided information.    The department  is                                                               
also involved in public involvement,  which is manifested through                                                               
a number of operations.   Commissioner Lloyd then emphasized that                                                               
ADF&G is very concerned about  maintaining state sovereignty.  He                                                               
mentioned  that there  are  a number  of  encroachments on  state                                                               
sovereignty that occurred due to  federal legislation such as the                                                               
Marine Mammal Protection Act.  One  of the most intense arenas in                                                               
which the question of sovereignty  is being addressed is with the                                                               
Federal  Subsistence  Board due  to  the  state being  considered                                                               
noncompliant with  regard to federal subsistence  since the state                                                               
follows  the  Alaska  National Interest  Lands  Conservation  Act                                                               
(ANILCA).    He  related  that  the  department  is  striving  to                                                               
maintain  state  sovereignty  and  work  cooperatively  with  the                                                               
Federal  Subsistence  Board and  its  charge  to provide  federal                                                               
management  of subsistence  uses on  federal public  lands within                                                               
the state's  boundaries.  In  support of the  aforementioned core                                                               
services,  ADF&G  has  incorporated  responsibility  for  habitat                                                               
conservation.   Habitat conservation  correlates with  the return                                                               
of the Habitat  Division to ADF&G.  He noted  that within all the                                                               
fish  and wildlife  divisions, the  department is  concerned with                                                               
maintaining  productive  and  effective   habitat  for  fish  and                                                               
wildlife resources.   The last core service of  the department is                                                               
to  maintain  a  well-motivated,  and rewarded  workforce.    The                                                               
aforementioned has become increasingly  challenging over the past                                                               
years  as  there is  a  growing  pay differential  between  state                                                               
employment  and sister  agencies  in the  federal government  and                                                               
private employment.   Therefore, ADF&G has dedicated  itself to a                                                               
substantial  effort  internally   to  address  various  workforce                                                               
development issues.   Commissioner Lloyd pointed out  that page 2                                                               
of his overview,  which provides more details with  regard to the                                                               
ambitions within the core services.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:14:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LLOYD directed  attention to page 3  of his overview                                                               
and  informed  the  committee  that ADF&G  is  comprised  of  the                                                               
following  six  divisions:   Commercial  Fisheries,  Sport  Fish,                                                               
Wildlife Conservation,  Subsistence, Habitat,  and Administrative                                                               
Services.  Additionally, ADF&G administers  the activities of the                                                               
Alaska  Boards of  Fisheries and  Game, the  Commercial Fisheries                                                               
Entry  Commission,  and  the  Exxon   Valdez  Oil  Spill  Trustee                                                               
Council.    In the  commissioner's  office,  in addition  to  the                                                               
commissioner's  position there  are  two  deputies, an  assistant                                                               
commissioner,  and   a  number   of  special  assistants.     The                                                               
department's  fiscal  year  (FY)  09  operating  budget  is  $180                                                               
million from 16 funding sources.   About $58 million of the total                                                               
was state  general funds  and the  remainder consists  of license                                                               
fees  and federal  budget  contributions.   The  FY 10  operating                                                               
budget  request, he  related, is  for $180  million of  which $58                                                               
million is state general funds.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:16:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LLOYD  highlighted that ADF&G is  involved with many                                                               
different agencies  during the course  of management of  fish and                                                               
wildlife in Alaska  as well as offshore Alaska.   Central to some                                                               
of  the  negotiations are  interactions  with  the North  Pacific                                                               
Fishery Management Council (NPFMC).  He  noted that he has a seat                                                               
on NPFMC in order  that the state can be on the  look out for the                                                               
benefits  to  the  state regarding  federal  decisions  made  for                                                               
fisheries between  3-200 miles outside  of Alaska's waters.   The                                                               
department  has a  seat, although  in a  non-voting seat,  on the                                                               
Pacific Fishery  Management Council, which covers  waters off the                                                               
coast  of Washington,  Oregon, and  California.   The  department                                                               
also  deals internationally  with  the  North Pacific  Anadromous                                                               
Fish Commission  and domestically with the  Pacific States Marine                                                               
Fisheries  Commission.   Furthermore, ADF&G  deals directly  with                                                               
the University of Alaska-Fairbanks  School of Fisheries and Ocean                                                               
Sciences  Advisory  Council and  the  Alaska  Sea Grant  Advisory                                                               
Council.   Commissioner  Lloyd noted  that  he is  an ex  officio                                                               
secretary,  non-voting member,  of  the Boards  of Fisheries  and                                                               
Game.   He  reviewed the  various other  responsibilities of  the                                                               
commissioner, including holding a  non-voting seat on the Federal                                                               
Subsistence Board.   The department provides much  of the factual                                                               
information upon  which the Federal  Subsistence Board  relies to                                                               
perform its duties.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:18:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER   inquired  as  to  when   the  department                                                               
wouldn't manage resources for the maximum sustainable yield.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD explained  that  the  constitution refers  to                                                               
maximum benefit to the people  and the sustained yield principle,                                                               
but not  maximum sustained yield.   Therefore, in  many instances                                                               
one  could  argue that  translates  into  an attempt  to  achieve                                                               
maximum  sustained yield.   Commissioner  Lloyd pointed  out that                                                               
the maximum benefit  may not be maximum yield in  the case of the                                                               
sport fishery  in which  there may  not be  interest in  the most                                                               
pounds but rather in the best beneficial use.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:21:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER opined that  the aforementioned seems to be                                                               
managing for maximum yield.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD  pointed  out that  maximum  benefit  doesn't                                                               
necessarily align itself with actual poundage or yield of fish.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:21:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH inquired  as to how the  state is represented                                                               
in the North Pacific Fishery Management Council (NPFMC).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LLOYD  specified that the commissioner  of ADF&G has                                                               
a seat  on all the relevant  federal regional councils.   He then                                                               
highlighted  that there  are 11  voting members  of the  NPFMC of                                                               
which  6 of  the  voting  members are  from  Alaska.   Therefore,                                                               
[Alaskan representatives] have the majority of votes.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH   requested  a  breakdown  of   the  various                                                               
representation  opportunities   Alaska  has  with   the  entities                                                               
specified [on page 3 of the overview document].                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EDGMON noted that this is available on the NPFMC web site.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:23:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  clarified that  he is interested  in knowing                                                               
the state's involvement  in all the organizations  listed on page                                                               
3 of  the overview document  under the heading  "Other Designated                                                               
Responsibilities for the Commissioner."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LLOYD offered to meet with Representative Buch.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:24:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ recalled  that  at the  February 10,  2009,                                                               
meeting  on  the  Southeast  herring  and  sac  roe  fisheries  a                                                               
scientist opined that  ADF&G didn't have an  accurate stock model                                                               
for herring and that perhaps it  was due to underfunding or other                                                               
factors.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD,  noting  that  he  wasn't  present  at  that                                                               
meeting,  characterized the  state's  herring  program as  fairly                                                               
fundamental.  He  suggested that the herring  program is probably                                                               
better  in  Southeast  Alaska  than   in  most  other  locations.                                                               
Commissioner Lloyd  said that there  is probably always  room for                                                               
improvement.   He then noted  that the herring fishery  isn't one                                                               
on  which the  department  has  focused in  the  last few  years.                                                               
However, the  exception is the  Sitka Sac Roe fishery,  which has                                                               
been maintained continuously for the last 15-20 years.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:25:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  further  recalled from  the  February  10,                                                               
2009, hearing  testimony that much  of the  anecdotal information                                                               
suggested  that the  herring stocks  are  disappearing from  many                                                               
areas.   There  is  concern  that herring  may  be depleted,  and                                                               
therefore  she suggested  the  department  should review  herring                                                               
since  it's the  base  of  the food  chain  and  upon which  many                                                               
species depend.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD  informed  the  committee  that  all  of  the                                                               
Southeast herring stocks are under  review by the National Marine                                                               
Fisheries  Service  (NMFS).   In  the  Southeast regional  office                                                               
there is  recognition that  some stocks  aren't as  productive or                                                               
abundant as  they once  were.   However, the  department believes                                                               
that Southeast herring, as a whole, "is in healthy shape."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:27:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  related he has heard  from several people                                                               
that the  deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) sampling  gathered by ADF&G                                                               
is  flawed and  can't be  trusted as  an accurate  measure as  to                                                               
where  the fish  are living.   He  then asked  if the  Upper Cook                                                               
Inlet DNA sampling is of value.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD  related his  belief  that  the DNA  sampling                                                               
program  is good.   In  fact,  it has  been proven  over time  to                                                               
provide increasing  ability to  discern stocks  at a  finer level                                                               
over the  last 10-15 years.   He explained that in  the mid 1990s                                                               
the department  used electrophoresis,  the process  of separating                                                               
proteins  as  an indication  of  genetic  stock structure,  which                                                               
provided a basic level of  information.  The newer information is                                                               
based on  single-nuclei-tide polymorphisms (SNPs),  which provide                                                               
a  much finer  look at  the stock  structure in  the mixed  stock                                                               
fisheries in the inlet.  Perhaps  the criticism is that even with                                                               
increased   discernment,  every   question  can't   be  answered.                                                               
Commissioner Lloyd  opined that  ADF&G's program has  developed a                                                               
strong  ability to  determine, in  general,  the stock  movements                                                               
through the inlet.  He  conceded that the department's ability to                                                               
characterize in  real time,  on a daily  or weekly  basis, hasn't                                                               
been achieved.   However, he pointed out that  the department has                                                               
never suggested the aforementioned.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:30:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON  asked  if,  through  DNA  testing,  it's                                                               
possible to ascertain from what  stream a fish originated, within                                                               
90 percent accuracy.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LLOYD answered  that in  some cases  it's possible.                                                               
The   classification  tests   used   often  use   a  90   percent                                                               
verification  as a  threshold against  which  the information  is                                                               
considered  reliable  or not.    However,  he clarified  that  he                                                               
didn't know the  details of the study to claim  that in all cases                                                               
each base line spawning stock is discernable at 90 percent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:31:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LLOYD,  in response to Chair  Edgmon, explained that                                                               
the  Board of  Fisheries (BOF)  meets on  a three-year  rotation.                                                               
Therefore, every  area of the  state is  scheduled to host  a BOF                                                               
meeting on  a three-year  rotation.   The geographic  location of                                                               
meetings is  determined by the  BOF by  vote and the  schedule is                                                               
usually laid out  a year or so  in advance.  There  is the desire                                                               
to have meetings  in the areas the fisheries  are conducted while                                                               
being tempered with  travel and meeting logistics as  well as the                                                               
composition  of  the  fleets   participating  in  the  fisheries.                                                               
Commissioner Lloyd  acknowledged the  strong concern of  those in                                                               
the Bristol  Bay region  who want  to have  the next  Bristol Bay                                                               
meeting in  the region.  He  related that the last  [Bristol Bay]                                                               
BOF meeting  was held  in Dillingham.   However, because  of some                                                               
logistical constraints and  the desire to make  the board meeting                                                               
more accessible  to those  who fish  in Bristol  Bay but  live in                                                               
other  regions  of   the  state,  of  which  there   are  a  high                                                               
percentage, a meeting in a  central location was determined to be                                                               
appropriate.  Commissioner  Lloyd related his sense  that the BOF                                                               
should meet in  the region of the fisheries, although  he said he                                                               
hasn't  become resolute  about  that because  there  are a  broad                                                               
suite  of interested  fishermen.   He  related his  understanding                                                               
that the  BOF is considering  requests regarding the  location of                                                               
the Bristol Bay BOF meeting.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:36:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EDGMON  noted his  observation that  a useful  byproduct of                                                               
the 90-day legislative session is  that it appears committees are                                                               
traveling to remote areas of the  state and holding meetings.  He                                                               
opined that the benefits of  such are immeasurable.  He announced                                                               
that he is going to encourage  the BOF to meet in outlying areas,                                                               
including the upcoming December Bristol Bay meeting.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^COMMERCIAL FISHERIES DIVISION                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:38:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  HILSINGER,  Director,  Division  of  Commercial  Fisheries,                                                               
Alaska Department  of Fish  & Game  (ADF&G), began  his overview,                                                               
entitled "Overview  of the Division of  Commercial Fisheries," by                                                               
highlighting the mission statement  of the Division of Commercial                                                               
Fisheries, which is to:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Manage,  protect,  rehabilitate, enhance,  and  develop                                                                    
     the  fisheries  and  aquatic  plant  resources  in  the                                                                    
     interest of the  economy and general well  being of the                                                                    
      state, consistent with the sustained yield principle                                                                      
     and subject to allocations established through public                                                                      
     regulatory processes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER  then  turned  to   the  responsibilities  of  the                                                               
division,  of  which   first  and  foremost  is   to  manage  the                                                               
commercial personal  use and  subsistence fisheries  within state                                                               
waters.  The aforementioned represents  a wide variety of salmon,                                                               
herring, shellfish,  and groundfish  fisheries that  occur within                                                               
state waters.   The division  also manages many of  the shellfish                                                               
and groundfish species in federal  waters, such as the Bering Sea                                                               
King, Tanner,  and Snow Crab fisheries  as well as scallops.   He                                                               
noted that  the division  manages some rock  fish species  out to                                                               
200 miles.   The division  manages the aforementioned  species in                                                               
federal  waters because  the federal  government recognized  that                                                               
the state had a better  developed program and better capabilities                                                               
to manage those  species, even in federal waters.   The division,                                                               
he  related, conducts  a lot  of applied  research and  plans and                                                               
permits  the fish  and shellfish  hatcheries  and aquatic  farms.                                                               
The division  deals with the  negotiations of  fishing agreements                                                               
with Canada  through the  Pacific Salmon  Treaty and  the Alaska-                                                               
Yukon   Treaty.     He  noted   that  the   division  coordinates                                                               
extensively  with  the  federal  agencies,  including  NMFS,  the                                                               
Federal Subsistence Board, and  the International Pacific Halibut                                                               
Commission (IPHC).   Mr. Hilsinger highlighted  that the division                                                               
manages a wide variety of  fisheries from the salmon fisheries in                                                               
the Kuskokwim Bay, which are  characterized by small open skiffs,                                                               
to  the Bering  Sea crab  fisheries, which  are characterized  by                                                               
large  modern vessels  fishing  far offshore.    He informed  the                                                               
committee  that   the  exvessel  value  of   Alaska's  commercial                                                               
fisheries amounts to  about $1.6 billion, of which  50 percent is                                                               
from groundfish,  25 percent is  from salmon, 14 percent  is from                                                               
shellfish  and  halibut each,  and  herring  amounts to  about  1                                                               
percent  of  the  total  exvessel  value.    The  chart  entitled                                                               
"Exvessel  Value of  Alaska's  Commercial Fisheries"  illustrates                                                               
that the exvessel value has been  increasing over the last six to                                                               
seven years.  There has been an increase in the value of salmon.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER then turned the  committee's attention to the slide                                                               
entitled  "Economic  Impact  of   Seafood  Industry  on  Alaska's                                                               
Economy  in 2007."   A  recent economic  study of  the commercial                                                               
fishery found that the commercial  fishery generates about 78,000                                                               
jobs  in   the  seafood   harvesting,  processing,   and  support                                                               
industries.   Alaskans hold approximately  49,000 of  these jobs.                                                               
The  seafood  industry generated  about  $774  million in  direct                                                               
payments  to  labor   of  which  $237  million   went  to  Alaska                                                               
residents.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:42:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON recalled an  overview by the Department of                                                               
Transportation & Public Facilities  (DOT&PF) when it was reported                                                               
that  there were  a large  amount  of jobs  at the  airport.   He                                                               
further recalled asking at that  overview whether individuals who                                                               
fly fish are counted  as an airport job or a  fisheries job.  The                                                               
answer was that  such a job would probably be  counted as both an                                                               
airport and  a fisheries job.   Therefore,  he asked what  is the                                                               
real number of [fisheries] jobs [held by Alaskans].                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER  said that  he didn't know  the direct  answer, but                                                               
noted  that  he  had  a  copy of  the  study  Northern  Economics                                                               
performed  that he  offered  to  provide to  the  committee.   He                                                               
commented  that  he  is  trying  to  indicate,  in  general,  the                                                               
importance of the fishery as  it's an indication of how seriously                                                               
the division takes its responsibility to manage the industry.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:44:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  expressed the need for  accuracy with the                                                               
job count and the funds being expended in an industry.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER restated that he would  be happy to make the report                                                               
available  to the  committee for  its  scrutiny.   He noted  that                                                               
Gunnar  Knapp   [with  the  Institute  of   Social  and  Economic                                                               
Research] recently  provided a fairly  thorough analysis  of both                                                               
the sport  fishing study and  the commercial fishing  value study                                                               
to the Cook  Inlet Task Force, which he said  he found helpful in                                                               
understanding the comparisons between the two industries.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:46:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER   asked  if   the  exvessel   poundage  is                                                               
available to compare the market  with different categories of the                                                               
fishing industry.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER  offered  to  provide   that  information  to  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:47:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER returned to his  overview presentation, and related                                                               
that the  Northern Economics study  illustrates a  large economic                                                               
impact from  commercial fishing,  which is  an indication  of the                                                               
importance  the division  places on  trying to  provide the  best                                                               
management program  possible.  The  commercial fishery is  one of                                                               
the  largest contributors  to the  state behind  the oil  and gas                                                               
industry.   Mr.  Hilsinger  then turned  attention  to the  slide                                                               
entitled "Division  of Commercial Fisheries Core  Services."  The                                                               
core  services  of  the division  include  stock  assessment  and                                                               
applied  research,   harvest  management,   laboratory  services,                                                               
aquaculture   permitting,   data  processing,   and   information                                                               
services and public  participation.  In the  stock assessment and                                                               
applied research arena,  the division performs a  large number of                                                               
projects,  many  of  which  are   related  to  salmon  escapement                                                               
enumeration.   He  noted  that the  division  runs fish  counting                                                               
weirs,  towers, sonar  projects, foot,  and aerial  surveys.   In                                                               
many cases,  the division develops  estimates of  juvenile salmon                                                               
production.   Furthermore,  the division  conducts shellfish  and                                                               
ground fish  surveys.  In almost  all coastal areas of  the state                                                               
the division performs herring spawn  deposition surveys and hydro                                                               
acoustic surveys as  well as aerial surveys for  herring and dive                                                               
surveys  for a  variety of  species.   The division  also does  a                                                               
large  amount   of  biological   samplings  for   the  biological                                                               
characteristics  of age,  sex,  and  length of  the  catch.   Mr.                                                               
Hilsinger  highlighted   that  the  division  has   a  tremendous                                                               
genetics   program,  possibly   the  largest   fisheries  genetic                                                               
laboratory in the  world.  He noted that the  division utilizes a                                                               
large  coded-wire tag  sampling program  and an  otolith sampling                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:49:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH inquired as to  the location of the fisheries                                                               
genetic laboratory.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER related  that the  gene observation  laboratory is                                                               
located  in Anchorage.   That  laboratory has  the capability  to                                                               
process between  50-70,000 genetic samples  a year.   He recalled                                                               
that  the division  was involved  in a  large project  in Western                                                               
Alaska in  which chum  and sockeye salmon  were sampled  from all                                                               
the  commercial and  subsistence fisheries  beginning at  Chignik                                                               
and moving up the Alaska Peninsula  to Norton Sound.  The project                                                               
collected 220,000 genetic samples.   A normal genetics laboratory                                                               
processes   5,000-10,000  samples   per   year,  while   Alaska's                                                               
laboratory processes 15-30 times that number.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:51:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  related his  observation that  the Yukon                                                               
River king  return is  anticipated to be  the lowest  in decades.                                                               
With all of the science available  today, it seems odd that there                                                               
aren't  conclusive findings.   Therefore,  he questioned  whether                                                               
Mr.  Hilsinger  believes  enough  money  is  being  provided  for                                                               
scientific analysis.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:52:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER responded  that the  Yukon king  is a  significant                                                               
issue as  it's an  area with  the greatest  economic need  of the                                                               
state.  He recalled being  the regional supervisor for the Alaska                                                               
Yukon-Kuskokwim region  in the early  1990s when the  program was                                                               
rudimentary.  That program has  improved dramatically, he opined.                                                               
In fact, there's now sonar at  Pilot Station that provides a good                                                               
indication of  what's entering the  river.   Furthermore, there's                                                               
an  advanced   program  at  Eagle   that  provides   an  accurate                                                               
indication of  the number  of fish going  across the  border into                                                               
Canada.   The aforementioned has  resulted in the  knowledge that                                                               
twice as  many king salmon  are crossing the boarder  into Canada                                                               
than previously thought.   Therefore, the division  has been able                                                               
to  rethink the  escapement  goals in  Canada.   The  information                                                               
relates that the  Canadian king salmon are producing  at very low                                                               
levels, about one return per  spawner whereas normally the salmon                                                               
would produce  three to four  returns per spawner.   Although the                                                               
[division]  doesn't  have  the  ability  to  know  precisely  why                                                               
production  is so  poor, there  is  the ability  to forecast  the                                                               
return.   The aforementioned allows  management plans to  be made                                                               
and problems anticipated.  In  fact, there is an increment, which                                                               
used to  be funded by  the federal government, that  will provide                                                               
additional  funds to  replace those  projects formerly  funded by                                                               
the  federal government.   Mr.  Hilsinger opined  that there  are                                                               
programs that the division would like  to have occur on the Yukon                                                               
and  the state  would  like to  take steps  to  ensure those  are                                                               
funded.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:56:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI remarked that  he will definitely keep an                                                               
eye  on  the  Yukon  area  increment.   In  response  to  earlier                                                               
comments  by Mr.  Hilsinger's testimony,  [the Yukon  king salmon                                                               
run] is  not only an economic  issue but also a  sustenance issue                                                               
for many.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:56:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EDGMON pointed  out the villages of Emmonak  and Kotlik are                                                               
concerned with  the ability to  harvest.  He then  sought comment                                                               
from Mr.  Hilsinger regarding  any efforts  of the  department to                                                               
manage  the  fishery  differently  in  light  of  the  governor's                                                               
interest in getting relief to the Lower Yukon.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:57:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER  said that  the  staff  and department  have  been                                                               
involved in a number of efforts  to improve the management of the                                                               
subsistence fishery.   He opined  that the [Yukon  River fishery]                                                               
is difficult to  manage.  The Yukon River, from  the mouth to the                                                               
head waters,  is about  2,000 miles,  and it  takes a  fish eight                                                               
weeks or  more to  swim that distance.   If  fishery restrictions                                                               
are  implemented  in order  to  meet  spawning escapement  goals,                                                               
there can  be a variety  of outcomes  for river communities.   He                                                               
explained  that  fish travel  up  the  [Yukon River]  in  pulses.                                                               
Therefore,  if the  pulse occurs  when the  fishery is  open, the                                                               
village  may harvest  all the  fish it  needs.   However, if  the                                                               
pulse occurs when the fishery is  closed, they may not be able to                                                               
harvest what  it needs.   Furthermore, later pulses may  not have                                                               
as many  fish.  The aforementioned  is why staff is  meeting with                                                               
communities along  the river  in order to  obtain input  from the                                                               
users   regarding   how   best   to   implement   any   necessary                                                               
restrictions.   Staff  has also  been  meeting with  some of  the                                                               
people involved in  the commercial fisheries [on  the Lower Yukon                                                               
River].   The  question is  how to  allow harvest  of the  summer                                                               
chums while protecting the chinook.   There have been discussions                                                               
regarding potential  test fisheries located outside  the mouth of                                                               
the river  as it may  provide more  advanced warning of  when the                                                               
fish are running.  The division  is trying to meet with residents                                                               
of the  communities in  order to develop  a management  plan that                                                               
allows everyone to make the most of the resource.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:01:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  requested comment on the  department's role                                                               
in restoring  herring stocks.   She then  inquired as  to whether                                                               
enough is being done to restore herring stocks.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER  echoed  Commissioner  Lloyd's  comment  that  the                                                               
herring program in  Southeast Alaska is probably the  best in the                                                               
state.    Not  only  are   aerial  surveys  performed,  which  is                                                               
typically  the only  stock assessment  tool, in  Southeast Alaska                                                               
but  there  are  also  test   fisheries,  spawn  deposition  dive                                                               
surveys.  Last year, in Sitka  some of the greatest spawn density                                                               
was  found.   He  noted  that extensive  catch  sampling is  also                                                               
performed  in Southeast  Alaska, such  that there  is information                                                               
regarding  the size,  age,  and sex  ratio.   The  aforementioned                                                               
information is  input into two  different models to  indicate the                                                               
abundance  of  herring.   The  predictions  of those  models  are                                                               
substantiated  through   aerial  surveys,  which  he   touted  as                                                               
excellent.  With regard to  whether the aforementioned is enough,                                                               
Mr. Hilsinger  opined that's  a good question.   He  then pointed                                                               
out  that  the herring  budget  has  eroded  over the  years  and                                                               
although  there  are some  missing  aspects  that the  department                                                               
would like  to have in  place to improve the  herring management,                                                               
growth  of  the stocks  have  been  observed year-to-year.    Mr.                                                               
Hilsinger  said he  didn't  see  a cause  for  concern since  the                                                               
herring  population is  growing.   However, he  acknowledged that                                                               
the future impact  of things such as climate  change or increases                                                               
in hump back  whales can't be assessed.  He  offered that herring                                                               
stocks  may not  be rebounding  in  some areas  due to  increased                                                               
predation by hump back whales.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:05:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ asked if Mr.  Hilsinger believes there could                                                               
be a correlation between fewer herring and fewer salmon.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER said  that although certain salmon  species feed on                                                               
herring, there  doesn't seem to  be a direct  correlation between                                                               
the fluctuations of herring stocks.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:06:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EDGMON recalled  hearing testimony at a  prior meeting that                                                               
the Pacific  herring is  a bell  weather species,  which measures                                                               
the overall health  of the ecosystem in  the Southeast fisheries.                                                               
He further recalled  testimony that there is a  downward trend of                                                               
the stocks  as a  whole.  Testimony  related that  the department                                                               
wasn't responsive  in terms of looking  at the fishery in  a more                                                               
holistic  manner,  such  that more  global  events  like  climate                                                               
change   and  increased   predator   presence   are  taken   into                                                               
consideration.   The charge,  he recalled,  was that  perhaps the                                                               
department needs to update or modify its models.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER  said that the  department is open to  working with                                                               
other  scientists, but  there  has not  been  an opportunity  for                                                               
ADF&G to review  the data that was presented to  the committee on                                                               
February  10, 2009,  and review  how those  models relate  to the                                                               
department's model.   He noted that one of the  professors at the                                                               
University  of  Alaska has  been  enlisted  to help  improve  the                                                               
model.    He  related  his understanding  that  there  have  been                                                               
improvements to the department's model.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:09:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  inquired as to  how much of the  2,000 miles                                                               
of the Yukon River is managed by ADF&G.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER  specified that  the Yukon  River runs  about 1,200                                                               
miles to the Canadian border  and there's an additional 800 miles                                                               
of  river in  Canada.   Those 800  miles of  river in  Canada are                                                               
managed by the Department of Fisheries  and Oceans in Canada.  As                                                               
part of  the Pacific  Salmon Treaty there  is a  Yukon Agreement.                                                               
There is  a Yukon River Panel  and a Yukon River  Joint Technical                                                               
Committee,  both of  which  are comprised  of  U.S. and  Canadian                                                               
people.  The aforementioned entities  meet twice annually and the                                                               
panel makes  many of  the decisions  regarding the  management of                                                               
the  fishery, such  as  the  number of  fish  allowed across  the                                                               
border into Canada.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:10:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER,  continuing his  overview, informed  the committee                                                               
that  there  are a  number  of  other stock  assessment  surveys,                                                               
including   the  extensive   dive  surveys   and  shellfish   and                                                               
groundfish  surveys.    In  terms   of  harvest  management,  the                                                               
division  spends much  of its  resources assisting  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries  in  establishing  regulations  and  management  plans.                                                               
Area  staff spread  across the  state open  and close  fisheries,                                                               
monitor  stocks,  collect biological  data,  and  report on  that                                                               
information.   He  then noted  that the  pathology laboratory  is                                                               
responsible  for reviewing  and approving  transfers of  fish and                                                               
shellfish.    In  fact,  the  pathology  laboratory  has  disease                                                               
samples  from   a  great  array   of  areas  around   the  state.                                                               
Therefore, those who want to  transport fish or shellfish have to                                                               
be permitted and reviewed by  the pathologist to ensure there are                                                               
no  disease  concerns.   The  coded-wire  tag and  otolith  aging                                                               
laboratory is  extremely important with regard  to the management                                                               
of hatchery  stocks.   The hatcheries mark  their fish  such that                                                               
the  division can  identify those  fish in  commercial fisheries,                                                               
and  therefore the  division can  determine what  portion of  the                                                               
commercial  catch is  bound  for which  hatchery.   As  mentioned                                                               
earlier, the  genetic stock identification  laboratory is  one of                                                               
the largest  and is such  a valuable  tool that every  fishery in                                                               
the  state  is  requesting   more  genetic  stock  identification                                                               
information.  He  pointed out that the  in-season information can                                                               
provide the  manager more timely  information with regard  to how                                                               
the   stocks  move   through.     Although   the  genetic   stock                                                               
identification laboratory is large,  it remains limited in regard                                                               
to its  capacity to perform  work in-season.   He noted  that in-                                                               
season work is performed on the  Yukon River chinook run in order                                                               
to identify the portion of Canadian  fish as the run goes through                                                               
in an attempt to reduce the harvest rate on those Canadian fish.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER   then  turned  to  aquaculture   permitting,  and                                                               
informed  the committee  that the  division  permits the  private                                                               
nonprofit salmon  hatcheries, the  Aquatic Shellfish  Hatchery in                                                               
Seward, and all aquatic shellfish farms.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:14:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER moved  on to the slide  entitled "Data Processing."                                                               
He specified that each commercial  landing is required to provide                                                               
a harvest report.  The electronic catch reporting system, e-                                                                    
Landing,   allows  processors   to  enter   data  electronically.                                                               
Currently, e-Landing  is used  for groundfish  and crab  and it's                                                               
being expanded to include salmon.   Salmon is a challenge because                                                               
the  fish  are  delivered  to  relatively  small  tenders.    The                                                               
overwhelming response  from the  processors has been  positive as                                                               
they seem  to love the  [e-Landing] system,  in general.   The e-                                                               
Landing system allows  companies to report to the  division on an                                                               
almost  instantaneous  basis  while  allowing  the  companies  to                                                               
download that information into their  own accounting system.  The                                                               
aforementioned  eliminates   the  double-entry  of  data.     Mr.                                                               
Hilsinger  noted that  the division  has worked  toward obtaining                                                               
Internet-accessible catch  and catch  reporting and  developing a                                                               
database.   For example, the  Mariner Database in Bristol  Bay is                                                               
from which one receives the daily run updates on-line.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:17:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER,  referring  to the  slide  entitled  "Information                                                               
Services and  Public Information," highlighted that  the division                                                               
designs and maintains the division's  web site, publishes a large                                                               
number of  brochures and  reports.  In  fact, the  division's web                                                               
site and the  report database have over  3,000 scientific reports                                                               
that are accessible.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:17:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER pointed  out that the division is  divided into the                                                               
following four regions:  Southeast, Central, Arctic Yukon-                                                                      
Kuskokwim, and  Westward, plus headquarters.   He  explained that                                                               
the Central  Fisheries Management Region includes  Prince William                                                               
Sound,  Cook Inlet,  and  Bristol Bay.    The Westward  Fisheries                                                               
Management   Region   includes   Kodiak,  Chignik,   the   Alaska                                                               
Peninsula,  and  the  Bering Sea.    The  Arctic  Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
Fisheries Management Region accounts  for the northern two-thirds                                                               
of  the  state.   He  then  related  that  the division  has  310                                                               
permanent full-time  staff, 472 seasonal staff  who are primarily                                                               
engaged in biological sampling, fish  counting, and surveys.  The                                                               
division has  20 permitted offices,  and 84 seasonal  offices and                                                               
field  camps.    The  division's presence,  he  opined,  probably                                                               
supersedes  that  of  any  other  state  agency.    The  division                                                               
operates  six  large  research  vessels,  of  which  two  are  in                                                               
Southeast,  two in  the Central  region, and  two in  Kodiak that                                                               
work in the Westward region.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:19:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER, referring  to the  slide  entitled "Missions  and                                                               
Measures," reviewed the following four targets of the division:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     1.  Exvessel value of commercial harvests and                                                                              
         mariculture production above $1 billion                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2.  Reproductive goals achieved for more than 80                                                                           
         percent of monitored stocks                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     3.  Develop genetic baselines for Alaskan Chinook,                                                                         
         chum, and sockeye stocks that will include 100                                                                         
         stocks in each baseline                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     4.  All aquatic farms operating with current permits                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER,  referring to the  graph entitled  "Exvessel Value                                                               
of  Commercial Harvests  and Mariculture  Production in  Alaska,"                                                               
reported that  in recent years  the exvessel value has  been well                                                               
above  $1 billion  and has  [progressively] increased.   He  then                                                               
turned  attention  to  the  graph  entitled  "Reproduction  Goals                                                               
Achieved,"  which  illustrates  that currently  the  reproductive                                                               
goals  are  achieved for  more  than  90 percent  of  [monitored]                                                               
stocks.   The  graph entitled  "Development of  Genetic Baselines                                                               
for Alaska Salmon Stocks," illustrates  that the baseline goal of                                                               
100 stocks  for Alaska chinook,  chum, and sockeye each  has been                                                               
met.  In  fact, chinook has 110  stocks.  There are  well over 80                                                               
stocks for  chum salmon  and about  90 stocks  for sockeye.   The                                                               
aforementioned is  an area that  the division targets  by sending                                                               
crews out to  expand the baseline because the  quality of genetic                                                               
analysis  is directly  related  to the  quality  of the  baseline                                                               
data.   With  regard  to the  goal of  having  all aquatic  farms                                                               
operating with current permits,  Mr. Hilsinger pointed out that's                                                               
now at 100 percent.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:21:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILSINGER informed the committee  that the total FY 10 budget                                                               
request for  the division is  $60,488.8, which is similar  to the                                                               
FY 09  request for  $60,269.9.   The total  FY 10  budget request                                                               
amounts to $36 million in  general funds, $8.7 million in federal                                                               
funds,  and the  remaining $15.8  million  is from  a variety  of                                                               
sources.   He  highlighted two  increment requests  in the  FY 10                                                               
budget  request.   One  of  the  increments  is the  Yukon  River                                                               
Subsistence  for  $80,000, which  includes  a  Nenana test  wheel                                                               
video  monitoring system.   He  explained that  use of  the video                                                               
camera  means that  an  individual doesn't  have  to monitor  the                                                               
wheel 24  hours a day  in order to count  fish.  This  system, he                                                               
opined,  is a  fairly effective  means of  counting fish  without                                                               
spending a lot  of money.  The Yukon  River Subsistence increment                                                               
also includes the fall chum  salmon drift test fishery, which was                                                               
an ongoing  project for many years  and was cut by  the Office of                                                               
Subsistence Management.   He  related that  the fall  chum salmon                                                               
fishery is  difficult to  manage because the  fish come  in short                                                               
pulses  and  between  those pulses  there's  very  little  entry.                                                               
Therefore, the timing  for the fishery and the  ability to assess                                                               
abundance is  related to the  ability to determine  those pulses,                                                               
with  which  the  drift  test  fishery  will  help.    The  other                                                               
increment  is  the  Bering Sea/Aleutian  Islands  Crab  Research,                                                               
which was funded by NMFS.   The funding for that research was cut                                                               
last year  and the legislature  provided a one-time  increment of                                                               
$1 million  to cover that  research during  FY 09.   The division                                                               
would like  to continue that  research, which includes  king crab                                                               
pot surveys,  snow/tanner crab biology, and  observer data entry.                                                               
He  explained  that under  the  new  over-fishing limits  in  the                                                               
federal program, all mortality is  considered in the over-fishing                                                               
limit.   Therefore, if a  crab boat catches undersized  or female                                                               
crab and  releases them, a  certain mortality factor  is assigned                                                               
to that catch  and counts as part of the  overall mortality.  The                                                               
higher the  incidental mortality is  the lower the  amount people                                                               
are  allowed  to catch,  and  therefore  it's important  to  have                                                               
accurate mortality estimates which  this project provides as well                                                               
as growth information used for  setting guideline harvest levels.                                                               
With regard to  the observer data entry,  Mr. Hilsinger explained                                                               
that the crab  boats in the Bering Sea are  required to carry and                                                               
pay  for   observers  who   collect  much   important  biological                                                               
information.  This  project pays for the entry of  that data into                                                               
the database.   Therefore, without  the funding for  this project                                                               
there would  be no way  to enter the  data into the  database and                                                               
utilize it in the management of the fishery.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:27:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER reviewed  the major  issues  facing the  division,                                                               
including  recruitment  and retention  of  staff.   Some  of  the                                                               
recent  recruitments,  even  for   the  higher  level  positions,                                                               
haven't  had  a sufficient  hiring  pool  from which  to  choose.                                                               
Another  major  issue  is  declining  federal  funds,  which  the                                                               
legislature  addressed  last  year  when  it  appropriated  a  $5                                                               
million increment to replace federal  funds that were cut.  Those                                                               
funds were for Bering Sea  crab research and near-shore research.                                                               
Funding  instability  creates staff  and  morale  problems.   Mr.                                                               
Hilsinger  pointed  out  that  the   division  is  involved  with                                                               
renegotiation of  the Pacific Salmon Treaty,  Federal Subsistence                                                               
Management,  Gulf  of   Alaska  Groundfish  rationalization,  and                                                               
federal extraterritorial  jurisdiction, which was faced  with the                                                               
Sitka  herring  stock.    He highlighted  the  issues  of  Marine                                                               
Stewardship  Council  Re-certification   and  Cook  Inlet  salmon                                                               
management.  The geoduck aquatic  farm industry is an industry in                                                               
which the division has tried to  work with the farmers to develop                                                               
better regulations.  The last  major issue he highlighted was the                                                               
need to  develop a better  safety program  for the 475  people in                                                               
field  camps,  who  often  fly  in  small  aircraft,  have  close                                                               
encounters  with  bear  and other  wildlife,  and  use  equipment                                                               
including firearms, boats, and scuba gear.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:30:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  EDGMON thanked  Commissioner Lloyd  and Mr.  Hilsinger for                                                               
their presentations.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:31:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee   on  Fisheries   meeting  was   adjourned  at                                                               
11.31 a.m.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CommercialFisheriesOverview.PDF HFSH 2/12/2009 10:00:00 AM
Commissioner'sOfficeOverview.PDF HFSH 2/12/2009 10:00:00 AM